{"id":10985,"date":"2022-02-09T23:47:31","date_gmt":"2022-02-09T23:47:31","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.canterbury.ac.uk\/kenthistory\/?p=10985"},"modified":"2022-02-09T23:52:21","modified_gmt":"2022-02-09T23:52:21","slug":"thomas-more-and-st-dunstans-church","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.canterbury.ac.uk\/kenthistory\/thomas-more-and-st-dunstans-church\/","title":{"rendered":"Thomas More and St Dunstan’s church"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

Next week, as it\u2019s half term, will bring Dr Diane Heath\u2019s<\/strong> expedition to Wildwood<\/strong> as part of the Lottery Funded \u2018Medieval Animals Heritage\u2019<\/strong>. Last time this proved to be hugely successful with the families that took part and this one is likely to be equally popular! Also coming up shortly Dr Claire Bartram<\/strong> will be launching the CKHH’s Instagram<\/strong>, do watch out for this on 14 February!<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n

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Diane’s project logo<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n

Also next week I\u2019ll be doing the next history online workshop for the Lossenham Project<\/strong> on the potential of bedels\u2019 rolls for exploring such topics as land use and farming practices in the 13th<\/sup> and 14th<\/sup> centuries. Indeed, the CKHH<\/strong> is very busy working with this community-focused project to bring out the history and heritage of this fascinating area on the Rother Levels, with its centre at Lossenham Priory<\/strong>. Such projects and collaborative working offer considerable ways to place the Centre as a bridge between CCCU and various outside stakeholders, as we discovered when we sat down to think what we could offer to Dr Chris Pallant <\/strong>as posters celebrating enterprise and knowledge exchange. This exhibition will be part of the Faculty Research and Enterprise Day, Sustainability and Creativity<\/em><\/strong> on 30 June. For we were able to come up with over 20 projects\/topics that could be the subject of such posters that CKHH is currently involved in or has been over the last couple of years.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Such a one, although only in its infancy, is our continuing engagement with Canterbury\u2019s parish churches, and in this case most specifically St Dunstan\u2019s<\/strong> which is in Westgate not far beyond the city walls. As you may remember as part of last year\u2019s Applied Humanities 2nd<\/sup> year undergraduate module, Beth Woljung<\/strong>  [ https:\/\/blogs.canterbury.ac.uk\/kenthistory\/black-histories-maritime-kent-and-st-dunstans-church-exchanging-knowledge\/<\/a> ] researched and designed some pop-up banners on aspects of the church\u2019s history that included Sir or St Thomas More.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Sir Thomas More by Hans Holbein the Younger (Google Art Project WQEnBYMfBeoSdg)<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n

Building on this, I have joined The Fellowship of St Thomas More<\/strong> [ https:\/\/www.dunstanmildredpeter.org.uk\/fellowshipofstthomasmore.htm<\/a> ] at the church that under the auspices of the PCC and the rector the Rev. Jo Richards<\/strong> wish to extend the considerable work done in the past about St Thomas More and St Dunstan\u2019s church under the idea of Mission through Heritage and Tourism.<\/em><\/strong> For the presence of More\u2019s head behind a grill in the Roper vault that is commemorated at ground level in the chapel has brought many visitors and pilgrims to the church from across the country and from much further afield. Consequently, this provides an opportunity to open up conversations about the Reformation, about More\u2019s place within Tudor society and about the ideas and values he espoused during those turbulent times. Such an example of this was Dr Doreen Rosman\u2019s<\/strong> talk last September [ https:\/\/blogs.canterbury.ac.uk\/kenthistory\/kentish-martyrs-saints-and-the-middling-sort\/<\/a> ] in the church on \u2018Conflicting convictions: martyrs of the 16th<\/sup> century\u2019 as part of the joint CKHH and Canterbury Churches\u2019 week of talks on \u2018Kentish Saints and Martyrs\u2019<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

This new initiative at St Dunstan\u2019s church is an exciting prospect, especially in the context of exploring More\u2019s life and what his story has meant to people over the centuries. Furthermore, the project has the potential to bring in the personal and family story of the Ropers<\/strong>, a prominent local family whose gateway still adorns Westgate Street with its iconic Tudor brickwork that pairs beautifully with the brick-built Roper chantry chapel attached to the south-east corner of the church. As a way of coming up with a plan about how we may go about this, the group had a meeting with the Rev Dr Lesley Hardy<\/strong> who has been heavily involved in two Lottery-funded projects while she was a lecturer at CCCU. These projects were based around public history and community heritage at Folkestone, the latter being \u2018Finding Eanswythe\u2019<\/strong> which resonates particularly here because of the centrality of a saint and his\/her relics. Lesley outlined what they had done at Folkestone and why they had taken that course of action, before posing the question of what St Dunstan\u2019s wanted as their outcome and this provoked a considerable discussion. For even though all agreed More had to form the key element, it was felt by many that the story of Henry II on his penitential pilgrimage to Becket\u2019s tomb should not be forgotten, nor the presence of the church\u2019s exceedingly old bell. Consequently, drawing on Lesley\u2019s expertise, we had a fruitful discussion and afterwards people thought the meeting had been very helpful, so thanks Lesley for this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Part of one of the St Dunstan’s church banners<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n

These issues will come back into the conversation, but all agreed that More and in a sense his being a man \u2018for all seasons\u2019 was a good way to start in that he might be said to be \u2018reinvented\u2019 by each new age, often provoking different reactions within a specific generation. Moreover, this offers more opportunities to make him, his beliefs and times more relevant today, as well as providing insights into different ages as we explore the \u2018More\u2019 they envisaged. To get a feeling for this we need to examine how antiquarians and other writers from the 16th<\/sup> century onwards saw him and those around him. Additionally, this will include the attitudes of his contemporaries such as men like Colet and Erasmus, as well as his daughter Margaret and son-in-law William Roper.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Just briefly and starting with William Somner<\/strong> from the later 17th<\/sup> century, he does mention the link between More and William Roper, including William\u2019s marriage to Margaret, More\u2019s daughter, but Edward Hasted\u2019s<\/strong> account from a century or more later gives slightly greater detail, mentioning that More\u2019s skull is \u201cin a hollow in the wall of the vault underneath [the Roper chapel], having an iron grate before it\u201d being next to Margaret\u2019s coffin. There does not seem to be any sense here of this being generally visible to visitors, rather it is the devotion of a daughter to her father that Hasted highlights, recording that she had \u201cprivily bought\u201d her father\u2019s head after it had been stuck on a pole on London Bridge, and had then kept it with her in a lead casket during the rest of her life before she and More\u2019s head were buried at St Dunstan\u2019s in the Roper vault. Interestingly, Hasted records that even though initially More\u2019s body was buried at St Peter in the Tower, at a later stage he was reinterred at the family\u2019s parish church in Chelsea.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

A near contemporary account from 1787 in The Kentish Traveller\u2019s Companion<\/em><\/strong> similarly mentions the preserved skull in a niche of the wall of the Roper vault, as well as it being behind an iron grate. Equally Margaret\u2019s devotion to her father is remembered, including the idea of hearsay in that she was said to have wanted to be buried with the skull in her arms. Again, there seems to be no hint of access, the vault said to having been \u201cclosed up a few years since\u201d because it was full of Roper burials.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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St Dunstan’s church, Canterbury<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n

Interestingly an account from just over twenty years later makes no mention of St Dunstan\u2019s but in William Townsend\u2019s account of Canterbury<\/em><\/strong> from 1950 there appears to have been a marked change in that he sees St Dunstan\u2019s church as \u201cworth a visit by devotees of St Thomas More, whose head was buried there in her family chapel by his daughter Margaret Roper.\u201d A city guidebook, The Pilgrim\u2019s Guide to the Royal and Ancient City of Canterbury<\/em><\/strong> from three years earlier had similarly seen the chapel as belonging to the More not the Roper family, stating that the earliest monument there belonged to Edmund More (1433) and that the \u2018most famous of the Church\u2019s memories is the burial here in the neighbouring family vault of the severed head of Sir Thomas More, canonized in recent times.\u201d Nevertheless, his daughter\u2019s devotion, rescuing \u201cthe sad relic\u201d of her father\u2019s head from London Bridge after it had been placed there 14 days earlier continued to be a prominent part of the narrative, and it is still there in John Boyle\u2019s<\/strong> completely revised edition of the official Canterbury Pilgrim\u2019s Guide<\/em><\/strong> from 1968. In this version Margaret provided \u201creverent burial\u201d for her father\u2019s head in the Roper vault in a niche, and by this time Boyle noted that above the vault \u201ca tablet recalls this event\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Rowland Lockey after Hans Holbein the Younger, Sir Thomas More’s family c.1594 (National Trust @ Nostell Priory, nr Wakefield, Yorks)<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n

Even though this has been merely a very quick look at a few writers on Canterbury and its environs, I think it has demonstrated some of the aspects we discussed with Lesley on Tuesday evening by showing how Thomas More has been in a sense reimagined (reinvented?) at different points in the past, being somewhat of a barometer regarding attitudes to relics, what constitutes sanctity and responses to it that would seem to fit the church community\u2019s notion of Mission through Heritage and Tourism.<\/em><\/strong>  <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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